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[NRJohn]

I loved this movie!! Awesome, just pure awesome!

[Stolpen]

Even though it was a good movie, I think my expectations were abit high so I felt kinda disappointed afterwards. But a second viewing will surely get me to appriciate it more. I'm gonna throw out some minor thoughts about different things in the movie.

When Megatron told Starscream about his and Sentinels plan both me and my brother got the impression that the plan was already set in motion back at Cybertron, that they planned to use the space bridge to steal some other planets resources to rebuild Cybertron. But then why would decepticon ships stop the arc from leaving? The deal must ahve been made on earth but then, why didn't we get to see it?
Also this must have happened before the All-Spark was sent away by Optimus, but if the All-Spark still was on Cybertron then why would they need to steal energy from other places? If it were after the All-Spark was sent away then Megatron wouldn't have known anything about it since he followed the All-Spark.

And man how long mustn't the Arc have drifted through space? It was thousands of years ago that the All-Spark and Megatron crashed on earth and as speculated the Arc must have left before that.. Poor Sentinel

I really like Soundwave, he, Ravage and Lazerbeak were really true to their infiltration agenda. I assume that it was he who found the arc in hte 60's and started to collect the pillars and probably discovered that both Megatron and the All-Spark was on earth. So he sent after the other Decepticons while ha started to create his network of humans. Easily the best con in this movie.

Is it just me or shouldn't Starscream or Shockwave have questioned Megatrons plan to cooperate with an autobot? Instead of sucking up to Megs, I think that Starscream at first should have questioned it early in the movie. Perhaps when the deal was made and then again during the final battle he should have mocked Megs for being Sentinels pet which would have led to a fight, killing Starscream and injuring Megs which would have explained why he was just sitting around when Carly found him. But still, if a human were to kill Starscream I'm glad that it was Sam( and with a little help of Lennox).

If Shockwave were to be this bad-ass killing robot, how come he actually didn't kill anyone? He could at least have wrecked a wrecker or something. Still he looked super Awesome and it works for him to be quiet but he could have gotten some line.

And poor poor Megatron, I feel bad for him! First the Fallens puppet and then Sentinels.. Still he kicked some serious ass in ROTF but here it was nothing. Still the scene in the desert was quite nice, seeing him and the others wait in hiding. Also the scene when he took a seat in Washington was nice. But having him be tossed around by Sentinel without so much as planning for revenge and later on just sitting in an alley waiting? Come on.. He deserves so much more! At least having him perhaps explaining to Shockwave or Soundwave about how he will remove Sentinel once his part is played out or having him whoop Starscream or even in his injured state fighting of some autobots with ease would have been nice. Wouldn't have taken that much time either.

And even though it was Bay's last movie, shouldn't at least one of the four major decepticon leaders above have survived? Now we basically need a reboot if there are to be anymore movies.

Some negativity up there but as I said, I still think it was a good movie. It was nice seeing Bee, Sideswipe and Dino hanging out as much as they did. Seems like a nice team. Ironhide and Sideswipe showed some nice warriorskills against the Dreads.
Both Cullen and Nimoy did some great VA.
I'll take a glad Carly before a bitchy Mikela every day! It was easy to relate to Sams problems, in the last movie he wanted to go to school instead of working with the Autobots and now that he was ready to do it he couldn't. And after everything he has done to be forced down to the mailroom, I feel for the guy! Some nice scenes between him and Bee as well. Nice seeing a human and an autobot as best friends.
It was also nice not to have focus around the All-Spark or the Fallen or the sun-harvester, nothing of that magnitude but instead just a piece of technology and some betrayal. That the technology eventually could bring Cybertron here well it still didn't feel that mystical like in the previous movies. Sentinel was quite nice, not just the VA, he really wanted to do what was best for his planet and keep his race alive. But still not evil to the core, not a Fallen 2.0 but somewhere in between.
It was also nice with all the homages to the G1 show! Good job!

hmm, the text feels a bit rambling so I'll stop and make a short +/- list to sum it up. I'll spoiler it as well jsut for the sake of it.


+ As always Optimus
+ Bee, Sideswipe and Dino
+ Sam, Sam & Work, Sam & Carly, Sam & Bee, Sam & Optimus.. I could go on but you get it, I liked the Sam storyline.
+ Soundwave & Lazerbeak
+ The 3D was nice, not to excessive but just enough
+ Sentinel

- Megatron
- Somewhat confusing timeline after the three movies
- Shockwave was cool but underused
- Optimus used the word kill, or something similar, a bit to much.
- That it might be the last one?


This post has been edited by Stolpen: 30 June 2011, 20:06

[Toxinom]

I'm mixed about the movie. In the first act of the film I was totally getting into the scenes involving the Transformers- but was annoyed by the constant switching back and forth to Sam. The fact is I just didn't give a crap about what was going on with Sams life. It wasn't until the end I actually cared about the character. Once he became involved with the actual Transformers I didn't mind him nearly as much.

And I have to say I found the character of Jerry to be up there with Leo and the Twins as the most annoying character I have seen in a Transformer related piece of media.

The one scene of the movie that brought a GIANT smile to my face was probably the one with the Decepticons African base. I loved the classic Megatron/Starscream banter. But was very disappointed when they never had a proper scene like that again

My biggest complaint besides Sams personal life taking up the first act of the movie probably just how easily some of the 'Elite' Decepticons were killed in the final battle. It just seems to me that other than Starscream all the core Decepticon cast were dispatched fairly easily. As a major Megatron fanatic it really annoyed me Megatron and Optimus didn't get a proper final battle.

I loved the amount of human casualty caused by the Decepticons though. To me that finally established the Decepticons as a true threat to Human civilization with no one to combat them.

And good god- Ironhide. Just...Ironhide.

But overall I think it was a pretty good popcorn flick. I think its easily the best of the film series. I would only recommend it to other TFans or people who don't mind filler in their action films.

[Seaspray]

WOW! Indeed. Fantastic film! Great 3D experience and yes the movie was better the second time around.
Especially when watching it with other tf-nerds. :-) The first time I saw it I thought some scenes were rushed and some characters didn't get enough screen time etc. The second time around those scenes didn't seem that rushed and so on... so in my case I think it's a matter of high expectations and the thrill of it all that made the first screening what it was. :-D
I will definitely see one more time this summer. So many great moments to enjoy again and again

This post has been edited by Seaspray: 1 July 2011, 00:26

[SureShot]

Admittedly the movie wasn't good (well none of them) if you look at plot, believability, intelligent reflections, general acting etc. -it's a typical Bay film where you leave your brains at the door.
So as a movie with deep complex plot wanting to give the viewers some afterthought it totally fails ! but for wanting big kickass robots with fast action and lost of explosions etc to keep you entertained from beginning to the end - at that point it excels and is still highly enjoyable !.

BTW I LOVED the little sequence where we saw it in First Person View ! just like in Doom (the movie) and in general FPS games.... I want MORE of that

This post has been edited by SureShot: 1 July 2011, 08:01

[Protek]

Where in the theater were you seated? The 3D experience varies a lot depending on if you sit close to the screen or far away, in the center or off to the side.

Out towards the side. We didn't really have a choice since we got two of the last ten tickets, after my friend managed to get the original tickets refunded when the train problems prevented me from making it to the intended showing (see my recount on Facebook).

It also depends on your eyes, as some people go from being unable to see 3D at all, all the way up to being overly sensitive to it.

Yes, I understand that, but I had no problems with the 3D effects in Avatar where the effects worked great, and I don't think either the location or the eyesight should be able to cause the "3D effects" to be rendered as multiple 2D layers. Which was the case in about 35-40% of the shots here.

But if the position in the theatre does indeed matter as you claim, then I see the current 3D fad as a scam -- either the technology should not be used with the current cinemas at all, or the cinemas should not be allowed to fill every seat in the theatre. When I pay for a ticket to a 3D movie, my ability to see the film should not depend on whether I'm lucky enough to sit in the right place or not.

I chose to see the film in 2D for simply that reason that I wasn't willing to endure 2 and a half hours wearing the most uncomfortable goggles that I've ever worn. I saw Thor in 3D and came to a conclusion that no 3D is so mind-blowing that I will put those goggles on again. I'll rather wait for goggles-less 3D.

This post has been edited by Protek: 1 July 2011, 09:21

[Groundsplitter]

Admittedly the movie wasn't good (well none of them) if you look at plot, believability, intelligent reflections, general acting etc.

The same thing can be said about any Indiana Jones, Star Wars and James Bond movie. I ignore all criticism that attempt to put the films down on such merits - they're entertaining, action-packed and awe-inspiring, that's the only thing that matters with this type of film.

[SureShot]

Admittedly the movie wasn't good (well none of them) if you look at plot, believability, intelligent reflections, general acting etc.

The same thing can be said about any Indiana Jones, Star Wars and James Bond movie. I ignore all criticism that attempt to put the films down on such merits - they're entertaining, action-packed and awe-inspiring, that's the only thing that matters with this type of film.

Exactly...and that's the main reason why I mostly disregard film reviews, since it's a matter of what you're expecting from the film... something reviewers for some whatever reason tend to totally ignore. It's like expecting American History X to be a comedy and then giving it a bad note for failing at that.

[Taxos]

Just came back from it and I can't say I'm dissapointed, I said a year ago I wasn't gonna have any expectations other than it being better than ROTF.

I have a history of liking certain movies and being bombarded with criticisms until I finally accept that it sucks (Examples: Spider-Man 3, X-Men Origins: Wolverine, the Star Wars prequels and ROTF, it took me a Razzie award to be dissapointed), so I am not particularly good at movies but this one I am most certain captures the enjoyment the first movie delivered. I never fealt bored and was constantly interested, every scene with the transformers was a spectacle, combine that with some dramatic music and action that kept my eyes and mouth open in amazement. But as I said, I went with no expectations so if there are any flaws or dissapointments I didn't notice I will accept them, but I will not deny that I was entertained!

Now I hope the movieverse is over for a few reasons. All this whining from nostalgia fans will hopefully go away and there will be only us hardcore fans again. The ending didn't have much (or any) loose ends so there's nothing left and we can probably look at this as trilogy with an ugly middle. Some people think there will be a reboot sometime with another director and I'm okay with that, but now I wish Transformers to be how it was before and NTFA could go back to the old blue design .

[SureShot]

...but now I wish Transformers to be how it was before and NTFA could go back to the old blue design .

Ehm, you know you can change the NTFA skin down in the lower left corner ?

[Stolpen]

"it's the one where Spock goes crazy" might be one of the best lines in the movie.. At least afterwards

[Stolpen]

WOW! Indeed. Fantastic film! Great 3D experience and yes the movie was better the second time around.
Especially when watching it with other tf-nerds. :-) The first time I saw it I thought some scenes were rushed and some characters didn't get enough screen time etc. The second time around those scenes didn't seem that rushed and so on... so in my case I think it's a matter of high expectations and the thrill of it all that made the first screening what it was. :-D
I will definitely see one more time this summer. So many great moments to enjoy again and again

I have to agree, after the second viewing everything seemed much better.

Although, Still a bit annoyed by the double message around Sentinel-Megatron and The Arc. It doesn't seem that well written.
Also, in the second viewing I appriciated Megatrons role more but still, he should have had a somewhat bigger impact.

[Taxos]

...but now I wish Transformers to be how it was before and NTFA could go back to the old blue design .

Ehm, you know you can change the NTFA skin down in the lower left corner ?

Yes but I'm talking more about the whole site like the index and all the other pages. Not just the forums.

This post has been edited by Taxos: 2 July 2011, 08:23

[obsidian x]

The movie was pretty cool. I was expecting the so-called humor to be more downtoned then it was, still it was maybe a little less of it then in the previous one.
Some of those comedic bits really breaks the spell on me and takes me out of the movie.
Though I must confess I laughed when Sams boss walked in on Sam and his co-worker after the co-worker dropped his pants.
Some of the human scenes is so outdrawn into the absurd and the human characters act so weird sometimes.
Sam was great in his scenes with Bumblebee though.

When it was focused on the Transformers it was awesome though.
Too bad it was like Decepticon genocide though, the Decepticons are running out of classic leader type characters, if the movies will continue without rebooting that is.

I wish Jolt, Mudflap and Skids would be in it and the surviving bike-sister. Not a fan of Mudflap and Skids and even though the second movie was a mess I would like for them not to pretend it didn't happen! Those characters could have been in the background and have a line or two and it would have been fine.

So Megatrons Masterplan and The Ultimate Doom eh? Maybe they will redo Carnage in C-minor or a Decepticon raider in king Arthurs court in the next movie

I hope 3D dies again, don't care for it. If I want to go on a rollercoaster there is always the amusement park. Well, that is what I think, I am sure lots of people enjoy 3D but for me 2D is equally fine and you don't have to wear any annoying glasses that makes it all dark.

Overall, really cool robot action! You got to see more of the whole robots in action during those scenes too, instead of shaky close-ups and that was much appriciated!

This post has been edited by obsidian x: 2 July 2011, 23:49

[Gemini Prime]

Guess I shall throw my hat into this. As far as the three goes this was probably the best, but just like it´s brethren it has it´s flaws. If you ignore some of the logical continuity errors the story works well. If you dont ignore them it will lead to questions and a feeling that the producers painted themselves into a corner and just decided to ignore some things. But if you do the first it the story works fairly well. It seemed to borrow ideas from the old G1 cartoon, especially two multi- parters from season one and two comes to mind.

Overall the story is much darker and deals with things rarely seen in Transformers, namely what would happen if the Decepticons won (almost). Seeing humans killed (almost vaporized even) is a sight rarely seen in any Transformers fiction (the Terminator franchise could learn a thing or two). It also deals with how the humans must relay on themselves to fight of the Decepticons far more than previous outings.

One problem I had with ROTF is that the pacing was a bit off and I cant help but feel that this one does the same. In the first hour everything is set in place and the players are positioned accordingly. The problem with this is that there is very little action to be had. It´s still interesting and build suspense but it comes at a prize when the second hour rolls in (or maybe out). ROTF gave me a sense of sensory overload with it´s excellent but longwinded action scenes. When they been in Egypt for a while I almost got bored of all the explosions in the desert and started hoping that the movie would end soon. DOTM does the same thing and towards the end I was wishing for someone, anyone to get to that damn tower and do something so the movie could end. The first movie did a much better job at pacing itself and placing it´s action scenes in such away that they never felt too much. But the action scenes are wonderful and the big draw of this film.

Say what you will about Michael Bay (and people do) but he knows how to make a film look pretty, even if it often has an artificial feel about it. At the same time I am glad that not all films look like Bay´s, but in small doses the look and style of his photography is a treat.

As far as the characters and actors go it was a mixed bag. Shia Lebeuf is as unbarable in large doses as always. Who does he sleep with to be in so many big movies? Regardless, he must be one heck of a lover considering his resume.

Rosie Huntington- Whitely replaces Megan Fox (who is never mentioned at all) and I saw very little difference. She is pretty and there to look as such. She is a weaker actress than Megan Fox (yep, she is that bad) but she has a warmth about her that Megan Fox lacked. She just doesnt do much in the film besides being pretty and getting kidnapped.

Josh Duhamel and Tyrese Gibson are back as Lennox and Epps but it feels as if they are only there because someone forgot to remove them from the second one. Granted, with humans having to face Decepticons on their own they have a purpose but they just dont get much to do besides shooting at Decepticons. What happened to Lennox wife and child from the first film? That would be more interesting to know than Sam and his new piece of eye- candy.

John Turturro is back as Simmons, another character that has no use at all. He is less annoying than his previous outings, but he is only there because he is John Turturro and nothing else. Julie White and Kevin Dunn are also back as Sam´s parents but their presence is reduced and although I like them it´s probably for the best.

New to the franchise are John Malkovich and Patrick Dempesy. I suspect Malkovich is only there so they could have the name of a credible actor on the cast. It´s a waste since all he does is chew scenery worse that John Turturro (not a bad feat). Patrick Dempsey is the only character on the human side that works but there should have been more of him. His motives for his actions could have been more fleshed out, overall he is the only human character that I would have liked to see more off.

On the robot side we get quality over quantity. The army of unknown robots that where ROTF have been replaced with a more balanced cast of bots. The new draw is of course Sentinel Prime voiced by Leonard Nimoy (complete with a few Star Trek references). He does a great job in making Sentinel seem rounded and real. His motives, although never explained in any depth are easy to understand and sympathize with. The effect he has on Optimus only further enhances the character.

Speaking of Optimus I think the live action Prime will go down in history as Psycho Prime. He was a bit mellow in the first one, said "###### Rambo" as he sliced Decepticons in the second one and in the third one he could just say "Heeere´s Johnny" as he takes his axe, blades, guns and Wolverine- styled knuckledusters and crushes Decepticons. If G1 Prime could be accused of dragging out the war due to his pacifism this Prime can be accused of the same thing but with the complete opposite of pacifism. Still, watching Optimus smash Decepticons is a highlight for any Prime- fanboy. The fact that he does show a flawed and vulnerable side in his relationship with Sentinel Prime gives the character depth, athough in stark contrast to what happens in the end. As always Peter Cullen is excellent as Prime, even if his age is showing (Psycho Papa Prime).

The rest of the Autobots just seem to show up when the action starts. Bumblebee is the same as always for the most part but I do like the scene where he must face his mortality. Poor old Ironhide is just blown to the side (literally) and one would think that it would mean more to the Autobots, especially Optimus but sadly no. It´s quickly swept under the rug as the story moves on. A big missed opportunity if you ask me.

The Decepticons are outstaged by Sentinel Prime and even if it starts of well with Megatrons scene in Africa not much else happens. Megatron felt powerful and dangerous in the first one but was downplayed in the second. In this one they do give him more room but the path Megatron should have walked was saved for the very end when Carly has a heart to heart with old Megs and forces all the character development the entire movie should have had for Megatron in a few lines. It falls very flat as does the rest of Megatron who doesnt get to have his big climatic battle with Optimus as an equal in this one either. Psycho Prime indeed. Poor megs wont even get betrayed by Starscream which along no epic Prime vs Megtron battle are two of the biggest flaws in the live action franchise.

The rest of the Decepticons are just there. Even Shockwave just appears, he is very cool but could have done more (and what was up with those cybertronian worms of his?). Overall, it´s a really good movie and well worth seeing. It´s darker, more exciting and the silly humor is reduced greatly (thank you). But as the live action franchise comes to a close I cant help but feel that as a fan I never got the live action movie I wanted. But hey, that´s what reboots are for.

This post has been edited by Gemini Prime: 3 July 2011, 01:45