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SureShot
post 22 January 2008, 13:58
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Why not have settled with a 50% cheaper Galaxy GF8800GT (almost as fast) or perhaps a cheaper yet GF8600GT ?. Also depending on what you have in your PC of hardware (many HD's etc), a quality 460watt PSU with a two rail 12v1 12v2 20amp output would suffice.
Anyhow that setup will give you some gaming performance over the projector screen, which I'm sure it's also to be used for biggrin.gif

I got the 750w psu because a) it has received good reviews for low noise, and with such a small load it shouldn't be a huge problem anyway, and b) I may decide to upgrade to SLI at some point. I got the GTX because I got it at a pretty good price - about 2500kr. I only have an AMD x2 4200+ processor though, so it may be a bottleneck for the card anyway.


Arh cool. Well the x2 4200 will only be a "bottle neck" in 1024x768 resolution and such. When you bump up the resolution GFX power matters the most smile.gif


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Protek
post 22 January 2008, 14:07
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Well, had to take the mobo out to get the new cooler from Arctic Cooling to fit but it was well worth it. The computer is now significantly more quiet than with the crappy original cooler. The computer still tends to freeze at least if I use Presto's video converter and Firefox the same time. It seems that my graphics card is the problem. Haven't tried with any games that would give the gfx card a good run for its money to see whether the system will hang at that. Have to try that out, when I find the time. I found out that disabling AGP fastwrite should improve stability without significant performance hit. You can also disable write combining but I don't know how much that affects the performance.


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post 22 January 2008, 14:26
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Yesterday evening I found something called "nVidia X Server settings" in my Fedora 8 Linux system. So I ran it, and it offered me to switch display resolution. I had thought my monitor only supports up to 1280x1024, but the settings allowed me to choose as high resolutions as 1400x1050 or even 1600x1024. I chose 1400x1050, which fit horizontally fine, but vertically left a bit of the bottom edge off-screen. Then I clicked on "Write to X Server configuration file", and the computer's CPU usage filled up entirely. It became so intensive that even fork() was failing. Presumably some code had hit a fork bomb and was constantly trying to create new processes. I killed the X Server, and when the display manager tried to restart it, I was stuck with a blank screen. I killed it again and was left in text mode only. The fork bomb seemed to still be running, as fork() was still failing. Eventually I had to reboot, and then everything worked fine, but I was back in 1280x1024 mode. Now I know better than to do it again.


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predaking
post 23 January 2008, 17:49
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Okay, now the new 24" monitor is installed. What a monster. But I am unable to turn the resolution all the way up in nvidia control panel. After I updated the geforce (6800) vista32 drivers, I was able to go up to 1360*768, but the screen went black when I tried 1408*880. But still no 1920*1200. Do any of you guys have any idea what's causing the problem? I hope it's just the video card, because 1360*768 is far too big and blurry on this monitor.


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post 23 January 2008, 18:59
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Okay, now the new 24" monitor is installed. What a monster. But I am unable to turn the resolution all the way up in nvidia control panel. After I updated the geforce (6800) vista32 drivers, I was able to go up to 1360*768, but the screen went black when I tried 1408*880. But still no 1920*1200. Do any of you guys have any idea what's causing the problem? I hope it's just the video card, because 1360*768 is far too big and blurry on this monitor.


You uninstalled all monitor software (some monitors come with software/drivers) prior to pluggin the new in ?
Also you uninstalled the nVidia Forceware drivers prior to updating them ?
Did you download the new Forceware 169.25 driver ? http://us.download.nvidia.com/Windows/169....nglish_whql.exe

To me it sounds like a typical driver problem.
I'd get hold of Driver Cleaner, uninstall the Forceware driver, reboot into win Fail Safe, run Driver Cleaner to remove any driver leftovers, then reboot the PC and install the newest Forceware driver.
Also if any software came with the monitor install that too.
If that doesn't work then we manually have to make it run that resolution with either ReFresh-Force or Refresh-Lock.
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predaking
post 23 January 2008, 22:11
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the drivercleaner process doesn't work. The monitor has no drivers, but vista thinks it's a non-plug n play screen. Hmmm. I'll try ReFresh, but that may not help for games, am I right?
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post 24 January 2008, 08:07
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the drivercleaner process doesn't work. The monitor has no drivers, but vista thinks it's a non-plug n play screen. Hmmm. I'll try ReFresh, but that may not help for games, am I right?


ReFresh-Lock will work in games too smile.gif I used it a lot when I had my CRT screen and the games chose a different Hz than I wanted, and with ReFresh-Lock I forced the wanted Hz through.
A good thing is actually to use both programs. With ReFresh-Force you can alter your own values for resolution + Hz, and when you save it, it will add these values into the graphicscard driver. When that is done you close the program, not running it anymore since when you now use ReFresh-Lock those new values will be displayed too in that program.

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post 24 January 2008, 12:16
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wohoo! It worked. Only 60hz though, but what can you expect from a 2800kr screen...
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post 24 January 2008, 12:18
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wohoo! It worked. Only 60hz though, but what can you expect from a 2800kr screen...

I think 60 Hz is common for LCD screens, since flicker is not a problem with those.
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post 30 January 2008, 20:42
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Now my little brother also has a nice new desktop PC: It is 10,80 € more expensive than mine. Why? Let's take a look:

Motherboard: Slightly better than mine. 16 € more expensive.
Graphics card: Slightly more powerful than mine (both are nVidia GeForce 8600 GT). 51 € more expensive.
Memory: Half that of mine (2 GiB vs 4 GiB). 30,70 € cheaper.
Chassis and power supply: Less sexy than mine, but comes with a power supply as standard. 85,90 € cheaper in total.
Hard drive: The same configuration and capacity as mine. 3 € cheaper.
Processor: Slightly less powerful than mine (both are dual core, 2,6 GHz vs 3,0 GHz). However, his is Intel and mine is AMD. 14 € more expensive.
DVD-R drive: Pretty much the same. 4 € cheaper.
Floppy drive: None. 7,90 € cheaper.
Operating system: Windows Vista Home Basic. 75,90 € more expensive (mine is free).

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post 30 January 2008, 21:31
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QUOTE(palaste @ 30 January 2008, 20:42) *
Now my little brother also has a nice new desktop PC: It is 10,80 € more expensive than mine. Why? Let's take a look:

Processor: Slightly less powerful than mine (both are dual core, 2,6 GHz vs 3,0 GHz). However, his is Intel and mine is AMD. 14 € more expensive.


That depends on what model. You can't compare them GHz vs GHz.

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post 30 January 2008, 21:57
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QUOTE(Skybolt @ 30 January 2008, 22:31) *
QUOTE(palaste @ 30 January 2008, 20:42) *
Now my little brother also has a nice new desktop PC: It is 10,80 € more expensive than mine. Why? Let's take a look:

Processor: Slightly less powerful than mine (both are dual core, 2,6 GHz vs 3,0 GHz). However, his is Intel and mine is AMD. 14 € more expensive.


That depends on what model. You can't compare them GHz vs GHz.

Mine is an AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+, while his is an Intel Core 2 Duo E6750.
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post 30 January 2008, 22:22
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My computer now has two graphics cards, an nVidia GeForce 6100 integrated onto the motherboard and an external nVidia GeForce 8600 on the PCI-E bus. My monitor (Samsung SyncMaster 913N) is only showing a picture from the GeForce 6100. Why is this? The GeForce 8600 can't be broken, because Linux recognises it. Is my monitor incompatible with it?
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post 30 January 2008, 23:32
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QUOTE(palaste @ 30 January 2008, 21:57) *
QUOTE(Skybolt @ 30 January 2008, 22:31) *
QUOTE(palaste @ 30 January 2008, 20:42) *
Now my little brother also has a nice new desktop PC: It is 10,80 € more expensive than mine. Why? Let's take a look:

Processor: Slightly less powerful than mine (both are dual core, 2,6 GHz vs 3,0 GHz). However, his is Intel and mine is AMD. 14 € more expensive.


That depends on what model. You can't compare them GHz vs GHz.

Mine is an AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+, while his is an Intel Core 2 Duo E6750.


Well then his CPU is actually a bit faster smile.gif
http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu_2007.htm...3&chart=424

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My computer now has two graphics cards, an nVidia GeForce 6100 integrated onto the motherboard and an external nVidia GeForce 8600 on the PCI-E bus. My monitor (Samsung SyncMaster 913N) is only showing a picture from the GeForce 6100. Why is this? The GeForce 8600 can't be broken, because Linux recognises it. Is my monitor incompatible with it?


Ok a n00b Q but just have to ask. You plugged the monitor cable into the VGA or DVI port on the GF8600 card ?
Some motherboards don't automatically switch off onboard VGA if a graphicscard is present.
Check your motherboard manual whether there's a jumper to move to disable onboard VGA or if you have to do it in the BIOS.

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post 31 January 2008, 07:09
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QUOTE(Skybolt @ 31 January 2008, 00:32) *
QUOTE(palaste @ 30 January 2008, 22:22) *
My computer now has two graphics cards, an nVidia GeForce 6100 integrated onto the motherboard and an external nVidia GeForce 8600 on the PCI-E bus. My monitor (Samsung SyncMaster 913N) is only showing a picture from the GeForce 6100. Why is this? The GeForce 8600 can't be broken, because Linux recognises it. Is my monitor incompatible with it?


Ok a n00b Q but just have to ask. You plugged the monitor cable into the VGA or DVI port on the GF8600 card ?
Some motherboards don't automatically switch off onboard VGA if a graphicscard is present.
Check your motherboard manual whether there's a jumper to move to disable onboard VGA or if you have to do it in the BIOS.

The card doesn't have VGA ports. I plugged it into a DVI port using a VGA-DVI adapter.
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